In this episode, Vanessa sits down with New York Times Bestselling Author, Rob Bell. They discuss his profound and deeply personal new book, “Everything Is Spiritual: Who We Are and What We're Doing Here,” and touch on anything and everything related to how to navigate the human condition, how we approach the big questions, and how we ultimately attempt to make sense of it all.
They explore thought-provoking topics including how to reconcile your spirituality with organized religion, the ego, forgiveness, and the creative process. They also talk about NUSHU Group, and our collective need, desire, and craving as human beings to feel seen and heard.
00:00 - Intro to the podcast
1:53 - 5:11 Discussion about his book, Everything is Spiritual, how it came to be, and how his grandma sitting in silence with him in "wordless grace" helped shape his life
05:11 He shares, "Honestly, that’s where I found everybody. We all are born into these dramas. It is like we stumbled into the play in the second act….The universal is hiding in the particulars."
06:12 Rob on how the experience of vulnerability is most often an unconscious state
06:55 - Vanessa shares how they met and her being inspired by his walking away from success
08:32 - A look at life as seasons ~ the model we are handed in life, and how we can choose to walk away from conventional wisdom and form our own model
10:40 - 13:20 ...as related to organized religion and in reimagining what it is to be together
13:20 - 15:00 On forgiveness
15:01 On the ego and how it helps us
16:48 - 17:58 Actions, attitudes, and atmosphere: where the ego lives within those three phases
19:37 On giving sermons Rob began to understand that big shifts may happen in quiet spaces
20:50 - 26:40 On practices for creativity and what is the creative force within? Joy is a guide
26:41 Is the world waking up or is it dying? A look at the many systems that are not serving us
29:30 The great unmasking as how we get to the bottom of the wound
30:20 Great changes come out of difficult life experiences
31:51 End of interview and outro